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different fuels

Post by hiflyer » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:52 pm

yeah, I am new to all this, but what kind of fuels can you use in these stoves?

I am playing with a penny stove at the moment with methanol ;)

found this online:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/combu ... d_411.html

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Material  	Gross Combustion Value
(Btu/lb)
Carbon 	C 	14,093
Hydrogen 	H2 	61,095
Carbon Monoxide 	CO 	4,347
Methane 	CH4 	23,875
Ethane 	C2H4 	22,323
Propane 	C3H8 	21,669
n-Butane 	C4H10 	21,321
Isobutane 	C4H10 	21,271
n-Pentane 	C5H12 	21,095
Isopentane 	C5H12 	21,047
Neopentane 	C5H12 	20,978
n-Hexane 	C6H14 	20,966
Ethylene 	C2H4 	21,636
Propylene 	C3H6 	21,048
n-Butene 	C4H8 	20,854
Isobutene 	C4H8 	20,737
n-Pentene 	C5H10 	20,720
Benzene 	C6H6 	18,184
Toluene 	C7H8 	18,501
Xylene 	C8H10 	18,651
Acetylene 	C2H2 	21,502
Naphthalene 	C10H8 	17,303
Methyl alcohol 	CH3OH 	10,258
Ethyl alcohol 	C2H5OH 	13,161
Ammonia 	NH3 	9,667
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Re: different fuels

Post by zelph » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:31 pm

Thanks for the list of fuels and their btu content, good comparison list.

The most common fuel used in the stoves seen on this site is Denatured Alcohol that can be purchased at most hardware and paint stores. It's used primarily as a solvent/thinner for schelacc. The next in line is probably HEET that can be purchased at most large box stores(Walmart, Kmart, Sears, automotive stores and gas stations) It is used primarily as moisture collector in gasoline tanks to prevent gas line freezing in cold temps.
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Re: different fuels

Post by hiflyer » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:25 am

apparently we cant get denatured alcohol in Canada :(
but since it'd be a 30% increase in heat, I'll have to try some everclear

edited:

apparently we can at one of my favorite stores!
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx ... ,190,42942
32 oz =$10

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Re: different fuels

Post by DarenN » Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:27 am

i've been using 99.9% pure methyl hydrate. paint department at Canadian Tire stores.

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Re: different fuels

Post by zelph » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:24 am

hiflyer wrote:apparently we cant get denatured alcohol in Canada :(
but since it'd be a 30% increase in heat, I'll have to try some everclear

edited:

apparently we can at one of my favorite stores!
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx ... ,190,42942
32 oz =$10
Everclear is one of those multipurpose fuels, medicinal pain releiver, topical anticeptic, schellac thinner and stove fuel :D
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Re: different fuels

Post by zelph » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:33 am

DarenN wrote:i've been using 99.9% pure methyl hydrate. paint department at Canadian Tire stores.

DarenN.......
I searched Google and found this :

Methyl Hydrate is just a anouther name for Methanol, I noticed they had this to when I went to HomeDepot for some Xylene.

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon.
Recochem Inc. - Products - FAQs

Methyl Hydrate
Is there a difference between Methyl Hydrate, Methanol, and Wood Alcohol?
Answer: There is no difference between these products; it is just a different name for the same thing.

Is there a difference between Denatured Alcohol and Methanol, or are they the same?
Answer: They are not the same, but in most workshop applications either one can be used. Otherwise, Denatured Alcohol is an ethanol-based product and is considered less toxic than Methanol. Check to see if the manufacturer specifies one in particular and follow the recommendation.

Where can I use Methyl Hydrate?
Answer: Methyl Hydrate, also known as Methanol and Wood Alcohol, is used as a fondue fuel, shellac thinner, gas line antifreeze, and, when mixed with water, as a powerful window cleaner.

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Re: different fuels

Post by Ridgerunner » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:55 am

I searched Google and found this :

Methyl Hydrate is just a anouther name for Methanol, I noticed they had this to when I went to HomeDepot for some Xylene.

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon.
Recochem Inc. - Products - FAQs

Methyl Hydrate
Is there a difference between Methyl Hydrate, Methanol, and Wood Alcohol?
Answer: There is no difference between these products; it is just a different name for the same thing.

Is there a difference between Denatured Alcohol and Methanol, or are they the same?
Answer: They are not the same, but in most workshop applications either one can be used. Otherwise, Denatured Alcohol is an ethanol-based product and is considered less toxic than Methanol. Check to see if the manufacturer specifies one in particular and follow the recommendation.

Where can I use Methyl Hydrate?
Answer: Methyl Hydrate, also known as Methanol and Wood Alcohol, is used as a fondue fuel, shellac thinner, gas line antifreeze, and, when mixed with water, as a powerful window cleaner.

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The question I have , what is the cheapest, best fuel to use ? I think i paid about $15 (+ or - 2 dollar) for a gallon of Denatured Alcohol at the hardware store.
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Re: different fuels

Post by zelph » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:40 pm

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Ridgerunner wrote:
I searched Google and found this :

Methyl Hydrate is just a anouther name for Methanol, I noticed they had this to when I went to HomeDepot for some Xylene.

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon.
The question I have , what is the cheapest, best fuel to use ? I think i paid about $15 (+ or - 2 dollar) for a gallon of Denatured Alcohol at the hardware store.
In the above quote I highlighted an interesting part of his statement. $2.50 per gallon is the cheapest I've ever heard of for a fuel to use in our stoves and I'm going to do a local search to see if there are any "Speed Shops" that sell it. It will surely be worth the effort if I can find it at that price.
Another product to search out is the air line antifreeze that is used by truckers to prevent icing in their trailer air lines that go to the rear brakes. I've heard of being used but never followed up on it to see how it burns and how much it costs. Any truckers out there browsing or already signed in that can help us out here?
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Re: different fuels

Post by Ridgerunner » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:56 pm

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon
That really got my attention---will also search locally.
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Re: different fuels

Post by hiflyer » Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:06 pm

zelph wrote: Where can I use Methyl Hydrate?
Answer: Methyl Hydrate, also known as Methanol and Wood Alcohol, is used as a fondue fuel, shellac thinner, gas line antifreeze, and, when mixed with water, as a powerful window cleaner.

i am a high-rise window cleaner, and all it does is stop your water from freezing - you still need detergents in your water!

silly people....


I am going to hunt up speed shop as well :D

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