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different fuels

Postby hiflyer » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:52 pm

yeah, I am new to all this, but what kind of fuels can you use in these stoves?

I am playing with a penny stove at the moment with methanol ;)

found this online:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/combu ... d_411.html

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Material     Gross Combustion Value
(Btu/lb)
Carbon    C    14,093
Hydrogen    H2    61,095
Carbon Monoxide    CO    4,347
Methane    CH4    23,875
Ethane    C2H4    22,323
Propane    C3H8    21,669
n-Butane    C4H10    21,321
Isobutane    C4H10    21,271
n-Pentane    C5H12    21,095
Isopentane    C5H12    21,047
Neopentane    C5H12    20,978
n-Hexane    C6H14    20,966
Ethylene    C2H4    21,636
Propylene    C3H6    21,048
n-Butene    C4H8    20,854
Isobutene    C4H8    20,737
n-Pentene    C5H10    20,720
Benzene    C6H6    18,184
Toluene    C7H8    18,501
Xylene    C8H10    18,651
Acetylene    C2H2    21,502
Naphthalene    C10H8    17,303
Methyl alcohol    CH3OH    10,258
Ethyl alcohol    C2H5OH    13,161
Ammonia    NH3    9,667
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Re: different fuels

Postby zelph » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:31 pm

Thanks for the list of fuels and their btu content, good comparison list.

The most common fuel used in the stoves seen on this site is Denatured Alcohol that can be purchased at most hardware and paint stores. It's used primarily as a solvent/thinner for schelacc. The next in line is probably HEET that can be purchased at most large box stores(Walmart, Kmart, Sears, automotive stores and gas stations) It is used primarily as moisture collector in gasoline tanks to prevent gas line freezing in cold temps.
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Re: different fuels

Postby hiflyer » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:25 am

apparently we cant get denatured alcohol in Canada :(
but since it'd be a 30% increase in heat, I'll have to try some everclear

edited:

apparently we can at one of my favorite stores!
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx ... ,190,42942
32 oz =$10

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Re: different fuels

Postby DarenN » Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:27 am

i've been using 99.9% pure methyl hydrate. paint department at Canadian Tire stores.

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Re: different fuels

Postby zelph » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:24 am

hiflyer wrote:apparently we cant get denatured alcohol in Canada :(
but since it'd be a 30% increase in heat, I'll have to try some everclear

edited:

apparently we can at one of my favorite stores!
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx ... ,190,42942
32 oz =$10


Everclear is one of those multipurpose fuels, medicinal pain releiver, topical anticeptic, schellac thinner and stove fuel :D
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Re: different fuels

Postby zelph » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:33 am

DarenN wrote:i've been using 99.9% pure methyl hydrate. paint department at Canadian Tire stores.

DarenN.......


I searched Google and found this :

Methyl Hydrate is just a anouther name for Methanol, I noticed they had this to when I went to HomeDepot for some Xylene.

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon.
Recochem Inc. - Products - FAQs

Methyl Hydrate
Is there a difference between Methyl Hydrate, Methanol, and Wood Alcohol?
Answer: There is no difference between these products; it is just a different name for the same thing.

Is there a difference between Denatured Alcohol and Methanol, or are they the same?
Answer: They are not the same, but in most workshop applications either one can be used. Otherwise, Denatured Alcohol is an ethanol-based product and is considered less toxic than Methanol. Check to see if the manufacturer specifies one in particular and follow the recommendation.

Where can I use Methyl Hydrate?
Answer: Methyl Hydrate, also known as Methanol and Wood Alcohol, is used as a fondue fuel, shellac thinner, gas line antifreeze, and, when mixed with water, as a powerful window cleaner.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/forum/types-alcohol-mixtures/methyl-hydrate-vs-methanol-500.html
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Re: different fuels

Postby Ridgerunner » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:55 am

I searched Google and found this :

Methyl Hydrate is just a anouther name for Methanol, I noticed they had this to when I went to HomeDepot for some Xylene.

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon.
Recochem Inc. - Products - FAQs

Methyl Hydrate
Is there a difference between Methyl Hydrate, Methanol, and Wood Alcohol?
Answer: There is no difference between these products; it is just a different name for the same thing.

Is there a difference between Denatured Alcohol and Methanol, or are they the same?
Answer: They are not the same, but in most workshop applications either one can be used. Otherwise, Denatured Alcohol is an ethanol-based product and is considered less toxic than Methanol. Check to see if the manufacturer specifies one in particular and follow the recommendation.

Where can I use Methyl Hydrate?
Answer: Methyl Hydrate, also known as Methanol and Wood Alcohol, is used as a fondue fuel, shellac thinner, gas line antifreeze, and, when mixed with water, as a powerful window cleaner.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/forum/ ... l-500.html
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The question I have , what is the cheapest, best fuel to use ? I think i paid about $15 (+ or - 2 dollar) for a gallon of Denatured Alcohol at the hardware store.
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Re: different fuels

Postby zelph » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:40 pm

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Ridgerunner wrote:
I searched Google and found this :

Methyl Hydrate is just a anouther name for Methanol, I noticed they had this to when I went to HomeDepot for some Xylene.

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon.
The question I have , what is the cheapest, best fuel to use ? I think i paid about $15 (+ or - 2 dollar) for a gallon of Denatured Alcohol at the hardware store.


In the above quote I highlighted an interesting part of his statement. $2.50 per gallon is the cheapest I've ever heard of for a fuel to use in our stoves and I'm going to do a local search to see if there are any "Speed Shops" that sell it. It will surely be worth the effort if I can find it at that price.
Another product to search out is the air line antifreeze that is used by truckers to prevent icing in their trailer air lines that go to the rear brakes. I've heard of being used but never followed up on it to see how it burns and how much it costs. Any truckers out there browsing or already signed in that can help us out here?
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Re: different fuels

Postby Ridgerunner » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:56 pm

I believe it's only like $5.95 for the small can and less than 12 for a gallon still way more exspensive then a speed shop. Most sell it for $2.50 a gallon


That really got my attention---will also search locally.
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Re: different fuels

Postby hiflyer » Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:06 pm

zelph wrote:Where can I use Methyl Hydrate?
Answer: Methyl Hydrate, also known as Methanol and Wood Alcohol, is used as a fondue fuel, shellac thinner, gas line antifreeze, and, when mixed with water, as a powerful window cleaner.




i am a high-rise window cleaner, and all it does is stop your water from freezing - you still need detergents in your water!

silly people....


I am going to hunt up speed shop as well :D


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