Price of Heet

[zelph]

That's what stove science is all about Nothing ventured, nothing gained we appreciate your efforts for sure!!!

I'm going to search our records here to see If I can come up with something on E85. I vaguely remember doing something with it when it first came out.

[zelph]

A quick search got me this:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3307&p=25878&hilit=E85#p25878

Thanks for the positive update on your new stove. I'm getting great reviews on it. Just got word from a new user that E85 works in the alcohol version but says he doesn't like the smell of burning E85 as a fuel.....let's consider it an emergency only fuel

Not me, I don't mix, I use it straight out of the can, E85 is a gas/alcohol mix and recently Mangold on WB said it worked in the regular Super Stove.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2841&p=26132&hilit=E85#p26132

[zelph]

Oops, I didn't mean for you to use it in any way shape or form other than in a safe small wick style stove like the Venom Super Stove that has been modified to have a short pot support.

The US military have been known to use steel ammo containers filled with sand to be used as gasoline burning stoves/heaters.

[zelph]

We appreciate your scientific curiosity The weather out there has not been fit for man nor beast. You braved the elements in search of knowledge of the stover/stovie kind

Do you think E85 could be burned in you GI-Joe heater? Diesel is more expensive than E85 right?

Back to the separation of E85....had a thought. What is the least amount of water needed to separate the gasoline in a 1 litre container?

Hey, had another thought....Add 1 gallon of denatured alcohol to 1 gallon of E85 to increase it's usability in alcohol stoves. It would become E92 Currently denatured is selling for 12-15 dollars a gallon right?

[zelph]

I didn't try separating the gas with the minimum amount of water. I could try in small increments until I get about 15% gas on top. Why do you ask ? The ethyl alcohol would still have a lot of water in it.

Some people have been known to add water to their alcohol to slow down the rate of burn...think "simmer"

70% Isopropyl alcohol will burn in a stove ok. Smells bad but will burn. Water remains in the bottom of the stove. In a wick style stove the water remains in the wick I gave up on trying to develop a stove for Iso70 and 90 because I didn't like the smell while it was burning. If I don't like it, I don't make it available to anyone. I've designed some really small kerosene burning stoves. Burning kerosene smells really bad. Even smells worse when you extinguish them...the smoke can gag a maggot

There is a stove maker out there that sells a stove to burn Iso70/90 but never mentions the smell. Hiding that from joe buyer is not good. Most joe buyers won't say shlit even if they had a mouth full. So they just put the stove on the shelf and chalk it up to experience.

[zelph]

I remember testing E85 one time long ago. Didn't like the smell of it so I dumped the remaining gallon into my full tank of gas

I had to reports come back to me that E85 worked in the Venom Super stove with the regular full length pot support. One of the reports came from someone at Whiteblaze.net I'll go there and see if I can locate a link for it.

It's an ok fuel, just regard the soot as a by product same as wood burning Hey!!! it's an inexpensive car camping fuel on rainy days. Dual purpose, left overs go in your tank.

[zelph]

I tried burning straight E85 in an Enders military pressurized stove today. It did not burn well. The flame alternated from blue to yellow with a pulsation from low flame (blue) to high flame (yellow). It appeared that the gasoline and alcohol in the mixture were burning alternately in the burner.

From what I have seen, E85 cannot be used as a Coleman fuel substitute in pressurized stoves either.

Sorry, didn't have the camera, so no pictures today.

Low pressure stoves are finicky for sure. They need priming time which means an added primer tray or wrapping with fiberglass string/wick.

[beemerphill]

This is an update fro my post of 5 years ago. The four pack of Heet that I purchased in 2013 has sat on a shelf in my garage for these 5 years. It was part of my just-in-case kit for power outages. Out of curiosity I checked the contents of this kit and got a surprise. All four bottles were still factory sealed and in the original case, but they were all empty. When I picked them up they were light as empty bottles, because they were empty bottles. If anyone has some of these stashed it might be a good idea to check them off and on. I thought that the factory seal would keep them usable for a long time. They will not.

[zelph]

what!!!

Never woulda thunk-it

Thank you for that update. Better to store denatured in a metal can.

Come to think of something.....Sears sold their bottles of heet for 25 cents a bottle in the spring time. Probaly knowing it has a poor shelf life????

[beemerphill]

Follow up on the empty Heet bottles.
I called the Gold Eagle company in Illinois. They are the ones who sell Heet. I explained to the operator what my problem was, she transferred me to a different department, after waiting for a while I talked to an automated voice and left a message. I figured that I would never hear from them again. An hour later one of the managers called and asked for details. After I explained what had happened he asked me to read the numbers off the bottom of one of the bottles. When he looked it up he found that the bottle had left the plant in 2010. I purchased it from Walmart in 2015 and noticed that they were dry a week ago. He offered to send me a replacement four pack. I thanked him. Today I received an email from him telling me that the replacement Heet would be shipped the first week of next month. This is outstanding service for such a small item. I am impressed. The Gold Eagle company gets a big thumbs up from me.
Just figured that I would let you know.
Phill