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Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:46 pm
by ConnieD
Mags posted this article link at White Blaze.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... s-at-7-673

I think it is that important, so I am posting the link to the article here.

This is why I like zelph's wick stoves. I have never had a flare-up (unless I used white gas, right, and removed the pan) and I have never had a spill of burning alcohol fuel (if I fill the stove, without spilling). But tip-overs? Never.

I have seen spectacular "bloom" with jet-openings alcohol stoves. I won't use one.

That is my preference because I live in forest-fire country.

I don't know what kind of alcohol stove for backpacking this man was using.

He said, he looked away.

I don't know. Do you believe that?

I do know any fire should never be unattended.

Re: Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:59 pm
by ConnieD
Apparently, it was a tuna can type alcohol stove.
Those alcohol-fueled stoves like the one Weber was using when he started the fire are both lightweight and cheap. They look almost like a tuna can, and alcohol gets poured inside.
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article ... -contained

Here are pictures of the fire damage:

http://www.gazette.com/articles/livermo ... -warm.html

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article ... -contained

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Wild ... 82575.html

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/20 ... photos.php

There is much discussion about this fire.

I hope it doesn't lead to across-the-board restrictions.

Re: Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:16 pm
by ConnieD
Weber told the Forest Service he placed a tiny camp stove on a rock and turned away. When he turned back it was on the ground with a fire burning. He tried to stomp it out, but it expanded greatly.

Forest Service spokesman Steve Segin likens what happened to a car accident. Those who cause it are then responsible.

“The individual started a wildfire and was charged with that, but is also responsible on the civil side to pay for the restitution and rehabilitation of the land,” Segin said.

The fine and fee for the ticket Weber received totals only $325, but the restitution the government may seek could go into the millions.

In 2002 Forest Service employee Terry Barton accidently started Colorado’s largest fire. She was ordered to pay $14 million federal and tens of millions more than $25 million in state restitution, plus she spent six years in prison.
ref: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/05/21/m ... -millions/ This article has more pictures and video.

There is a no open fires order in Colorado.

Apparently this has meant backpacking stoves are accepted. However, one Forest Service man was quoted in another news coverage saying fires are only allowed in established fire pits in campgrounds. I hope that isn't true.

Re: Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:57 pm
by ConnieD
· Today’s restrictions mean that no open fires are allowed, no open camp or cooking fires, only “contained’ open fires such as those in camp stoves and grills using gas or pressurized liquid or those in permanently constructed, stationary, metal or masonry fireplaces such as those fireplaces located in campgrounds and masonry or metal fire pits.
* Contained open fires are not restricted at this time. Because ‘contained open fires’ are not restricted, these are ‘restrictions’, not a ‘ban.’
Here is the Larrimer County full news release:
Originally set to expire today, the Board of Larimer County Commissioners today extended fire restrictions on Open Fires, the Use of Fireworks, and Public Fireworks Displays through June 15, 2012 for the unincorporated areas of Larimer County. The restrictions were originally adopted on April 10, 2012 in conjunction with restrictions on the Roosevelt National Forest. Today’s extension was based on a recommendation from Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith.


* Contained open fires are not restricted at this time. Because ‘contained open fires’ are not restricted, these are ‘restrictions’, not a ‘ban.’


· Today’s restrictions mean that no open fires are allowed, no open camp or cooking fires, only “contained’ open fires such as those in camp stoves and grills using gas or pressurized liquid or those in permanently constructed, stationary, metal or masonry fireplaces such as those fireplaces located in campgrounds and masonry or metal fire pits.

- Smoking in the open is not allowed under these restrictions.
- It is okay to operate combustion engines with spark arresting devices, properly installed and in working order.
- Citizens who live in unincorporated areas of Larimer County can operate a charcoal grill on a non-combustible surface at least ten feet in diameter at their private residence.
- No fireworks or fireworks displays are allowed under these restrictions.
- No agricultural burning is allowed under these restrictions.
- No open campfires are allowed under these restrictions.
The Sheriff can exempt items from these restrictions based on his pre-approval and inspection.
Any person who knowingly violates the restrictions commits a class 2 petty offense and can be fined. The County’s complete ‘fire ordinance’ is available at: http://www.larimer.org/policies/. Individual restrictions such as these spell out which items from the ordinance are allowed and not-allowed.
ref: http://www.larimer.org/news/newsDetail.cfm?id=1472

He was on a day hike/bicycle trail and most commenters online are not sympathetic, except most feel the Forest Service officials who started a forest fire "controlled burn" that destroyed 20 homes and killed three people should be prosecuted.

I don't know. I don't have a fire on a day hike.

I don't believe his account.

However, I can see a lightweight stove could blow off a rock in the wind. But who would have a stove up on a rock in the wind? The stove would be in a protected place and have a windscreen.

I don't believe his account.

Oh, there was no wind. Then, as I turned away, a puff of wind blew my stove off the rock. Not believeable.

Re: Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:12 pm
by oops56
well you see it on you tube all the time to light a alcohol stove with a fire striker it hit the stove tip over :lol: :lol: you must pull up on the rod not down with the striker

Re: Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:38 pm
by realityguy
Apparently Mr. Weber should be confined to using Weber charcoal grills in designated fire pits from now on.. :roll:

Re: Fire

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:06 pm
by zelph
Pretty soon a ban on lightning will be issued :mrgreen:

A new StarLyte is in the workings that will hold 1.5 ounces of fuel suspended so it can not spill out when in use. Just the burners will be available to include tight fitting caps to allow filling with fuel before going on a hike. The burners will be furnished with the new square windscreen that is "work in process"

I will gladly donate a few to Mr. Weber when he recoupes from his traumatic experience. ;)

Re: Fire

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:36 pm
by Ridgerunner
Who leaves a fire in the backwoods unattended :roll: trying to stomp it out does not work. The best bet is to scrape the forest floor beyond the fire, towards the fire , working in a circle around the affected area. This worked for me when a friend was playing with matches on a pine needle floor. Fortunately, it was not windy and the fast spreading fire extinguished itself when reaching the bare soil floor on its perimeter. We were lucky and someone learned a valuable lesson that day.

Re: Fire

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:08 pm
by irrationalsolutions
hes an agent for a stove manufacturer trying to make it hard to use a stove you didnt buy at a store.