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Ultra-Light check list

Post by DarenN » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:04 pm

just surfin' around the net and found this page-

http://www.backpacking.net/27-pound.html

i think it would be interesting to see how others deal with weight issues.

as a kayaker (primarily) volume is more of a concern than weight to me, but i do backpack for flyfishing now and then, and i've been concidering cutting back the weight on kayak trips as well.

let's discuss......

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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by samh » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:41 pm

Here are my three oft-used gear lists.

http://samh.net/backpacking/?do=showpage&id=9

If I'm going or super ultralight my pack fully-loaded for three days in the woods that will weigh around eleven and a half pounds. Typically I carry variations on that but average weekend weight stays under twenty pounds.

In the article you posted the gear list is a twenty-seven pound pack with seven days of supplies. My 'long distance' gear list was designed around a nine day trip length and weighs in at around thirty-two pounds.

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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by Ridgerunner » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:49 pm

i think it would be interesting to see how others deal with weight issues.

as a kayaker (primarily) volume is more of a concern than weight to me, but i do backpack for flyfishing now and then, and i've been concidering cutting back the weight on kayak trips as well.

let's discuss......
Daren, I did not mean to ignore you. First, let me say, I am not a gram wienie. My hikes are usually a week or less. Therefore, I have no problem taking extra luxury type items and added weight. Being a large person, the extra weight is not that big of deal. I have been working on lessoning the load on my items I consider a necessity, just to see how much easier I hike with a lighter load. I hike to enjoy the experience which includes taking in my surroundings and eating good. You know I enjoy food! :lol: This leads to extra weight but it is worth it. ;)
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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by DarenN » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:44 pm

Ridgerunner, i agree with you. if i'm going out to enjoy the outdoors, i wanna by god enjoy myself! :D i'm not out there to see how much i can deprive myself of and still survive. but, as you said, we can certainly cut the weight back on the essentials leaving more room for the luxuries ;) and i think we can learn from those who are true gram weinies. Samh's link has some great info, as does the link i posted, and i think these type of lists are very important for the through hiking crowd, and i think to myself, i could do that if i wanted. say; walk "home" from here. Vancouver to Saskatoon is a bit over 1,000 miles; say two months, at about 15-20 miles a day (if i didn't hitch-hike). might be fun. might be a nightmare. who knows. how far does a through-hiker walk in a day??

there is a kayak trip i've been thinking about, locally. circumnavigating Vancouver Island. folks do it every year. it's a very long trip that could really tax ones packing ability. IIRC the record time for this is 26 days and he was a tuned-up racer. i'm not, so i'd be looking at a month plus with no chance of re-supply, but some 300 liters of storage space in the boat.

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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by dlarson » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:57 pm

I'm pretty new to this hiking thing so I've been relying heavily on Samh's gear lists for direction.
I don't think I'm at gram weenie level yet but maybe someday... we'll see. Right now I'm still shaving ounces! :lol:
My base gear weight is about 11 pounds carried. I'd like to get that down below 10 so I can include some luxury items like a camera.
Here's my gear list.

A nice insulated jacket is next on my purchase list.
I figure I can probably cut my tent weight in half with a new tarp tent and lose a lot of weight off my kitchen kit by switching to titanium pots.
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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by oops56 » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:15 pm

dlarson wrote:I'm pretty new to this hiking thing so I've been relying heavily on Samh's gear lists for direction.
I don't think I'm at gram weenie level yet but maybe someday... we'll see. Right now I'm still shaving ounces! :lol:
My base gear weight is about 11 pounds carried. I'd like to get that down below 10 so I can include some luxury items like a camera.
Here's my gear list.

A nice insulated jacket is next on my purchase list.
I figure I can probably cut my tent weight in half with a new tarp tent and lose a lot of weight off my kitchen kit by switching to titanium pots.
I heard that titanium heats fast and lose heat fast also after off fire.Now anodized alm. i think is just as good.
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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by dlarson » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:31 pm

oops56 wrote:I heard that titanium heats fast and lose heat fast also after off fire.Now anodized alm. i think is just as good.
I guess I don't really know much about that Oops.
To my knowledge, aluminum transfers heat pretty well which is why it's sometimes used for heat sinks. Copper is even better but weighs a lot.
This chart on the thermal properties of metal that I found seems to show titanium with a low thermal conductivity.
I guess it would be easier to heat water with aluminum then. I wonder what the weight difference is in fuel usage for titanium VS aluminum. If the extra fuel needed for titanium exceeds the weight savings over aluminum I guess it's not that great.
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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by Ridgerunner » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:00 pm

. how far does a through-hiker walk in a day??

there is a kayak trip i've been thinking about, locally. circumnavigating Vancouver Island. folks do it every year. it's a very long trip that could really tax ones packing ability. IIRC the record time for this is 26 days and he was a tuned-up racer. i'm not, so i'd be looking at a month plus with no chance of re-supply, but some 300 liters of storage space in the boat.
Thru hikers travel roughly 8-25 miles/day just depending on the individual, weather, conditions and terrain.

Your kayak trip sounds awesome. I have never been but love the water. I think I would troll a line while I was paddling. Makes for good tablefare and saves on storage space.

Samh's gear links are excellent and I know of a few more I will try to post for reference.
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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by DarenN » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:15 pm

here's a page about Trangia stoves that talks about Titanium a bit. seems to be a lot slower to boil. i've found this to be true, but not to the extent listed on this page.

http://www.ultralight-hiking.com/stoves-trangia.html

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Re: Ultra-Light check list

Post by dlarson » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:44 pm

Thanks Darren! It looks like the boil time was increased by 1:30 to 2:10 minutes with titanium depending on the flame distance.
It seems like the increased fuel usage would be negligible for weekend hikes. For longer trips it could add up though.
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