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A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:11 am
by seudo_411
Hi all

My younger cousin came to me yesterday with his science project, the aim of the project is for him to collect, analyse and interpret data from anything, He needs to do an experiment that investigates anything he wants to as long as he is able to show by means of the data what is happening.

So I let him read the Zen Stove site, watch a few youtube movies, browse through the board to get an idea of what stovies do. we then decided to test two stoves, His choice was Zelph's Cobalt, (which we can't make) I suggested the Cat Stove, showed him a few videos and he is sold on that, for the second stove we are going to use JSB's SIDE B.

The Testing parameters will be: Burn time, Boil time, efficiency testing, as well as a deployment test, (testing for fiddle factors).

There is enough information available for him to write a thesis, but he won't. We did however consider collecting cans making the stoves and selling them with the proceeds going to their schools charity fund.

Any suggestions are welcome, because its amazing that a 14 year old, could grasp and apply the concepts of laminar and turbulent flow, energy density, thermal mass, energy potential, and he even did the calculations for the power ratings, I think we have a new stovie in our midst. :mrgreen: :DB: :ugeek:

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:52 am
by russb
Very nice.

I am an adviser for our school's science olympiad team, and am often impressed with the knowledge and skills some of these kids possess.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:15 pm
by seudo_411
russb wrote:Very nice.

I am an adviser for our school's science olympiad team, and am often impressed with the knowledge and skills some of these kids possess.
I was just as suprised, but if I may draw on your experience, What would be something profound to investigate, I suggested that we investigate the efficiency of side burner compared to that of the chimney stove. It should provide sufficient data for comparison. I am open to any suggestions at the moment.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:23 pm
by DarenN
how about a comparisson between the three basic types of alcohol stoves? top jet, side jet, and wick stoves (like Zelphs Starlyte or my screencan). you could throw open chimney stoves into the mix as well.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:00 pm
by russb
Not sure about profound, but another idea might be to find the optimal pot height above certain stoves. Generating the function from the data (I would assume it to be quadratic) would be a mighty fine mathematical exercise.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:37 pm
by seudo_411
DarreN, we have been banned from producing any pressurised stoves, I had an accident, and it has been blacklisted till further notice.

Russb, that is good suggestion, I was looking for something else to add to the testing regiment, whereby the two stoves are compared, the most efficient one is then taken to secondary testing, for pot height.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:44 pm
by zelph
Glad to hear your stove DNA has been passed on to the younger generation. Is the gene on your fathers' side or your mothers'? :D

Introduce different fuels into your variables.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:28 pm
by seudo_411
zelph wrote:Glad to hear your stove DNA has been passed on to the younger generation. Is the gene on your fathers' side or your mothers'? :D

Introduce different fuels into your variables.
That is true Zelph, We probably have similar IQ's at the moment but he is 7 years younger and very retentive, and he understands my haphazard reasoning, as for other fuels, did some research, and came back with the following.

Alcohol will cost R65.00 per Litre, for 90% medical grade, Purple Meths will cost R 36.00 per Litre , Unleaded Petrol will cost R7.66 per Litre.

In US$ thats:

DA: 8.52 per L
PM: 4.72 per L
UP: 1.00 per L

So now he wants us to try petrol, and I said well in that case we might do some TNT, C4, maybe some Fission reactions to... :lol:

I did a blend some time ago, 50/50 benzine and alcohol. Results are inconclusive, maybe more testing is needed. :mrgreen:

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:33 pm
by zelph
That is true Zelph, We probably have similar IQ's at the moment but he is 7 years younger and very retentive,

Once he gets interested in girls he'll become like you :o

Do your testing in sets of three.

Re: A New Stovie-

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:28 pm
by seudo_411
zelph wrote:
That is true Zelph, We probably have similar IQ's at the moment but he is 7 years younger and very retentive,

Once he gets interested in girls he'll become like you :o

Do your testing in sets of three.
That is a valid point Zelph, Construction is set to begin this weekend, So we should have a minimum of 2 new stoves by Sunday.