Gargriller Stove Modified

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Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by zelph » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:40 pm

You can always depend on me to modify something. :mrgreen: This time I uses the Gargriller in a triangle formation instead of square. Why you ask :o Because I know the amount of wood needed to boil two cups and wanted a fast way to use the Foster Full Size Flat Bottom pot. The pot sits on the stove very securely. The pot bottom is made of food grade steel and will hold up well to the sharp edges on the stainless steel stove.

At the end of the day I needed to burn some wood to relax :D

First batch I got the boil with one load.



This one shows what the stove looks like unmodified.

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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by Ridgerunner » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:28 pm

Your modified Gargriller brings back memories of the TriCastle Stove I made a few years back. Love to burn wood and has duel fuel abilities ;)

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and the TriCastle II

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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by zelph » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:40 pm

Wow!!! I forgot about that one. Nice design, just right for the Foster pot that will arrive in 2 days :D

You should have made a few hundred of them in Titanium and you'ld be retired by now. Now that this design has come forward someone is going to copy it and sell a bunch :o

The Nimblwill design is being copied and sold often. There is one called the Emberlit that is moving well. The Gargriller came first and then the Emberlit.
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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by ConnieD » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:50 am

The design hasn't come forward. I got: you are not authorized to view that forum.

I have seen the Emberlit.
http://www.emberlit.com/default.php

There is also The Firefly Stove.
http://www.qiwiz.net/stoves.html

There is also The Honey Stove, in UK.
http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/product397.asp

These stoves are very small volume. I was going to ask what you thought about the small size.

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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by zelph » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:22 pm

ConnieD wrote:The design hasn't come forward. I got: you are not authorized to view that forum.

I have seen the Emberlit.
http://www.emberlit.com/default.php

There is also The Firefly Stove.
http://www.qiwiz.net/stoves.html

There is also The Honey Stove, in UK.
http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/product397.asp

These stoves are very small volume. I was going to ask what you thought about the small size.
The firefly looked the most interesting.
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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by ConnieD » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:42 am

I agree. The pocketable Tyvek case stove is desireable.

I have one. It is called a zelph-stoveworks Woodgaz Folding Wood Stove.

It is a pocketable Tyvek case stove. The first.

However The Firefly has only 42 cubic inches for burning the wood or other material.

The feed system is the same for these three wood stoves: push in the ends of small diameter sticks of wood.

The Firefly maker demonstrates the problems of this feed system, not mentioned, but including not getting the heat of the fire to the cookware.



The problem of putting the fire "dead out" is the same: there are burnt pieces of wood left over. It is incomplete combustion.

The Emberlit maker photos and remarks at bushcraftusa forum about the "charcoal" left over is "as if" that is a good thing.

His photos (you have to Register) also show his concern about the handles of his GSI cookware burning up.

The fact is, complete combustion is desireable. Left over ash, no coals, is desireable. Not only is there complete combustion, the fine ash left over may be spread out after the fire is out. This meets the Leave No Trace standard.

The campsite can be pristine and natural for the next person and the next.

The video footage for all these stoves show wood hanging outside the wood stove. It is not a contained fire.
I think this is why so many fire restrictions, now, specifically say a stove you can turn OFF or ON, like a LPG stove.
Stage 1 Fire Restrictions used to be a contained fire.


These newest small wood stoves are making it so I can't use any one of my three small wood stoves, obtained at this forum, that are a contained fire.

I am unhappy about that.

[NOTE: zelph has even made the fire contained for the Kelly Kettle and variant kettles I was considering purchasing.]

These new small wood stoves are not contained fires.

Not one of these stove-makers have dealt with the chimney-effect mentioned, to direct the flames to the bottem of the cookware.

TLUD is never mentioned, certainly, your TLUD-method and volume fire for complete combustion is never mentioned.

The Honey Stove and The Pocket Stove Ti, as well, look more like a stove stand, to me, in competition with the Clickstand. It doesn't seem credible as a wood stove.

If these stoves did not have an opening for feeding sticks on one side, and, if these stoves would work well with your TLUD-method, they could be a contained fire.

It seems to me, these new stoves are knock-offs of designs discussed at this forum made without understanding the discussions.

In fact, these new stoves do not seem credible, to me, as an effective small wood stove.

In point of fact, the zelph-stoveworks stainless steel mesh Woodgaz Folding Wood Stove, the DarenN titanium MK1-UL and the cadyak Fire Bottle wood stove, have a contained wood fire and complete combustion.

The only wood not completely consumed by either stove, except for the smallest bits of embers, was an exotic hardwood for wood carving specifically sold to a pipemaker. He gave me left over pieces because he wanted to see the result. It was impressive that all but one exotic wood sold to pipemakers was entirely consumed by the fire and that one had only the smallest coals leftover. Most people never see such hardwoods, nor so dense hardwoods. It was the toughest test.

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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by zelph » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:46 pm

The Emberlit maker photos and remarks at bushcraftusa forum about the "charcoal" left over is "as if" that is a good thing.
That is said by many of the manufactureres(not me) left over charcoal is no good, we want ash. :D

Those little stoves with long split twigs sticking out of the feed hole looks un-natural. Nobody is going to split twigs like that in real life. Whole 1/2" dia. and 10 inch long is more like it.

If people out there watching this site would practice the verticle stacking methose that I shaow in many of my video they would never go back to lighting their fires from underneath the stack. There is very little smoke, burn rate is ideal, flames stay focused under pot.
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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by JBRanger » Thu May 31, 2012 11:32 am

Thanks for this. Seriously. My geardo side was seriously eyeballing the Emberlit. However, it is true. The Emberlit DID leave "charcoal" while my Zelph Woodgaz leaves nothing but ash. I may just make a tyvek pouch for my Woodgaz and take it. The only downside is my pot size. I use the SP600 as I'm typically alone. It BARELY sits on top of the Woodgaz. No fault of the WG, but rather my pot size.

Are any more folding WG stoves made? I'd really like a flat pack. Or atleast I THINK I do. The round one does everything right. I just need a different pot. The SS, and alcohol (or esbit) goes in the WG, and then the WG goes in a bag, then into the pot. Hrmm....

I've got more wood burning to do.

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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by zelph » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:55 pm

JBranger, go to your nearest Jiffy Lube type place and ask ifyou can have some used windsheild wiper blades out of their garbage can. Look for the ones with a stainless steel insert/strengthener inbetween the rubber. Use two pieces of that stuff to span across the stainless mesh pot support so you can put the small diameter pot onto them.

The wiper blade stainless steel stuff can also be used for an emergency way of unlocking your car door if keeys are lost of left inside the car. remove it from your windsheild wiper, form hook on end and slide it down the car door window and fish for the mechanism that will open the lock. Just might get you back in the car before it rains :lol: worth a try.
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Re: Gargriller Stove Modified

Post by zelph » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:46 pm

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